Wittgenstein and Freud

Philosophical Reflections on Psychoanalysis


Does it make sense to attribute complex thoughts and feelings to babies?

Psychoanalysts often attribute complex thoughts and feelings to babies, but since babies cannot speak and have a limited behavioural repertoire (compared to children and adults), this seems ridiculous. This objection resonates strongly with Wittgensteinians, who emphasise that inner processes stand in need of outward criteria. They may also note that Wittgenstein himself called into question a deaf-mute’s claims that he had thoughts about God and the world before he was able to use language.

“Ballard writes: “It was during those delightful rides, some two or three years before my initiation into the rudiments of written language, that I began to ask myself the question: how came the world into being?”—Are you sure—one would like to ask—that this is the correct translation of your wordless thought into words? And why does this question—which otherwise seems not to exist—raise its head here? Do I want to say that the writer’s memory deceives him?—I don’t even know if I should say that. These recollections are a queer memory phenomenon,—and I do not know what conclusions one can draw from them about the past of the man who recounts them.” (Philosophical Investigations, para 342).

If Wittgenstein is right about Ballard, doesn’t this also rule out the claims that psychoanalysts make?

Let’s start with the comments on Ballard. Wittgenstein is not ruling out the possibility of Ballard making any claims about what he experienced before he could use language. His objection is to claims about thoughts, particularly thoughts that involve sophisticated concepts. It is this that raises the issue of how Ballard can be sure he is correctly translating his wordless experiences into thoughts. (Another way of highlighting the problem would be to note that he seems to be claiming that he used certain concepts before he had even acquired them). It is also significant that his claims cannot be linked to his behaviour at the time. No one observing him at the time would have had a basis for thinking: he is probably wondering how the world came into being. His claim hangs in the air, and it is hard to know what to do with it.

If Ballard had said that before he could communicate, he had really enjoyed riding around the countryside, this would be unproblematic. He is reporting what he felt, and we can link his statement to his actions and reactions at the time. What if he had said: “I felt happy to be alive”? This would be more problematic. A language user can choose between saying “I feel really happy” and saying “I feel happy to be alive”. In the latter case, they may say more about why they feel happy to be alive or they may just say that this specific phrase uniquely expresses what they feel. In either case, their account of what went on inside them is bound up with their ability to use language. So, it would be puzzling if someone claimed to have had thoughts/feelings of this kind before they could speak. It is the ability to speak that provides the behavioural complexity which makes it possible to attribute the complex thoughts or the experience defined by this verbal expression to the individual. This point can be underlined by considering what we say about animals, for while we can (and do) attribute simple thoughts and experiences to them (she wants to eat, she misses her owner), we do not attribute complex thoughts to them. When we see a dog chasing a ball, we might think: “That dog is wonderfully alive”, and no one would dispute that the dog is happy, but it would make no sense to say: “the dog is thinking: I am glad to be alive!”. If the dog acquired the power of speech and claimed to have had this thought, it would be hard for us to take this claim seriously. We might say to the dog: how can you be sure that you were not just very happy? Or we might just say: how strange that you (now) want to make this claim.

So, what about the claims made by psychoanalysts? Here, the key point is that their claims are made as part of an attempt to understand and explain the way the individual currently lives their life and the way they have lived it up to that point. From this perspective, it is somewhat paradoxical to suggest that their claims lack criteria. The criteria include: how the individual relates to the analyst in the consulting room; how they relate (and have related) to other people; how they react (and have reacted) to certain types of situation etc. If there is a problem, it is not so much the  lack of criteria as the difficulty of organising this vast body of material and linking it to possible experiences the individual may have had as a baby. This is a challenging enterprise, but it does not seem (to me) to be an incoherent one. If someone’s relationships with other people have always been characterised by an extreme sensitivity to intrusion, this would seem to provide a reasonable basis for claiming that at some very early point in their lives they felt intruded on. This does not involve claiming (a la Ballard) that as a baby they thought: “I am being intruded on”; rather it involves attributing to the baby an early experience (of intrusion) that had wide-ranging ramifications. Furthermore, one could use evidence from the life of the individual (or evidence from the observation of babies in general) to try to pin down when this experience occurred.

But what about the extremely complex – one might even say florid – theories that psychoanalysts develop? Well, as long as their claims are translatable into some kind of consequences, I do not think they can be rejected as meaningless (although one can, of course, reject them as fanciful, implausible or simply wrong). Winnicott and Klein tell very different stories about what babies experience, but their different stories make a huge difference in how the past and present behaviour of individuals is understood. The Winnicottian claim that some babies have an early and traumatic experience of feeling dependent is not a contentless hypothesis and contrasts with the Kleinian claim that a baby’s early negative experiences are inevitable. Of course, the evidence for the Winnicottian claim is complex and requires judgement, but this is true in relation to many of the claims we make about other people’s experiences. If I claim that my friend’s expression of regret was genuine, I cannot provide straightforward evidence for my claim, and it may be impossible for me to convince you that I am right, although sometimes later events may convince you. If you question my judgement, I may point out that I have known my friend for forty years. This does not, of course, provide any evidence for my claim, but it highlights the importance of judgement based on personal experience. Infuriatingly, older people may say to younger people: you do not have enough experience of people to be able to make a judgement in this sort of extremely difficult case. Obviously, this does not mean we have to accept what psychoanalysts say (particularly since they disagree!), but it does mean that we cannot reject their claims simply on the basis that they are not supported with clear evidence everyone can easily agree upon.

What about the strange claims that patients and analysts make about what happens in the consulting room? A patient may experience a terrible sense of abandonment and links this to the start of their life, perhaps claiming to have remembered what they experienced as a baby. An analyst may experience something and claim that this gives them an insight into how the patient related to their mother as a baby. Aren’t these claims at least as strange as Ballard’s? They are certainly very unusual, and people may disagree about their significance. Some may treat them simply as the expression of experiences in the here and now, i.e. the patient felt like a baby whose mother had abandoned it, while the analyst felt like a mother lacking any connection with the baby in front of her. But these experiences may also be seen as reflecting the continuation in the patient of feelings (and relationships to others) that first occurred at the start of their lives. Furthermore, even if this sort of occurence prompts or reinforces hypotheses about an individual’s experiences as a baby, the justification for these claims is provided by evidence about the way the individual’s life unfolded up to and including the present day. So, whether or not we agree with specific claims about what a baby experienced (or what babies in general experience), I don’t think we can treat such claims as meaningless or reject the putative experiences as parts of a pseudo-mechanism unconnected to anything else. Psychoanalysts do attribute complex experiences to babies, but the attribution rests on the complex but real consequences they claim those experiences had.



2 responses to “Does it make sense to attribute complex thoughts and feelings to babies?”

  1. Richard Gipps Avatar
    Richard Gipps

    I would like to push you a bit on what the criteria are for the infants having the emotional experiences that the Kleinian analyst attributes to them. 

    So, Klein says that the hungry unfed baby hates her mother and wants to destroy her. She may have comforting phantasies of feeding at the breast when her mother isn’t there. But her feelings of frustration may also result in her having phantasies of biting and tearing up the mother and her breasts. After having done this, the baby may in remorse have further phantasies of putting together the bitten up pieces again.

    So one question is whether there are in fact behavioural criteria for ascribing these phantasies to actual babies.

    Another is, if there are not, and if Klein is standing in front of a baby and she, Klein, is saying that she, the baby, is having a phantasy of tearing up the mother and her breasts, is she talking sense or nonsense?

    A further question, if the answer to the previous question is ‘nonsense’, is whether it can really still make sense for Klein to say of her adult patient that as an infant she had phantasies of tearing up her mother’s breasts. To my mind this simply looks peculiar! (It doesn’t make sense to say of the toddler Augustine in front of me that he is thinking about just what object exactly ‘tomato’ might stand for. Nevertheless we’re to think it does make sense for me to say of the adult Augustine that the explanation of how he now uses the word ‘tomato’ with such conceptual panache is that he had a really informative chat with himself when he was a toddler about what exactly ‘tomato’ meant?!)

    It cannot be that the explanation of why I’m inclined now to be so preoccupied by relativity theory is that I thought about it as a baby. It won’t do to concede that the basis for that attribution is nothing that went on as a baby; it is only what goes on as an adult that legitimates our making it.

    One more thing. Imagine someone saying that the criteria for ascribing a phantasy to a 3 month old baby Gordon of putting a recently ‘torn up’ breast back together have to do with what, 45 years later, adult Gordon, says and does in the consulting room – when he (let’s imagine) guiltily reporting having had dreams of tearing up his analyst’s books, and twice knocks over and breaks the water glass in the consulting room but then each time quickly buys her a new one. (To me this all seems prima facie absurd, but let’s roll with it!) My worry now is that the use of the adult behaviour as criterial of the infant phantasy itself means that reference to the infant phantasy can’t do anything to explain the adult pattern of behaviour. At most we have ‘Maybe you were always kinda like this?!’

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  2. Wow! That certainly adds up to a bit of a push back 🙂 In fact, I think I will need to do a separate post to give some sort of response, which I will try to do over the weekend. There is definitely a lot to go into on this topic and I was anyway planning to do a post on the mad world of Kleinianism which hopefully I will get round to in April.

    In the meantime a few very quick comments. I think how the baby behaves at the time will give some indication of what the baby is experiencing (e.g. signs of strong negative emotions may well be apparent!) but I agree that there is a big gap between these criteria and the complicated stories that psychoanalysts tell. However, obviously there are not just two time points that are relevant (infant and adult) there is also quite a lot in between where differences in how different people behave and react as they grow up may provide evidence about how they might have experienced things early on.

    I totally agree with on Augustine and the concept of a tomato and on relativity theory, but I think these examples are fundamentally different from what the pyschoanalysts are saying and doing.

    As for your last point, I will try to cover that in the post I do this weekend, but very happy for you to push back!

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